I usually play a tight place betting the six and eight, press, regress and hope for the best, but only rarely do I come close to doubling my buy in, which is frustrating. I want action, baby. So I am thinking of varying my play a bit, trying three way craps bets, $2 each, and if it hits, parlay the winnings. Yeah, I know, the math says it's a bad bet but hey, none of us will live forever.

It is so sad that this group has disintigrated into nothing. I have been lurking for a long time. Some of you will remember that I was a regular poster several years ago. It was a very useful group with a great deal of very interesting postings. It would be a good thing if some of the old posters would return with some good reports about how they play craps. I have not been able to go to casinos due to a personal problem, and I could not maintain my web sites because AOL eliminated that feature from everybody. Have a good day. Jim, "The System Man"

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I doubt that anyone reads posts to these newsgroups, but just in case there is anyone listening.. I've been tracking online gambling sites for over 5 years. Use the link below to see the 4- and 5-star rated online craps sites. [link] rat=4&SRC=rec.gambling.craps Cheers! Robert Medl Webmaster @ The Online Casino Gambling Directory [link]/ eCOGRA Reputable Gaming Portal since October 2006 Gambling Portal Webmasters Association Seal of Approval since March 2007

It's when you back both teams and profit regardless of who wins. "Arbitrage is not to be confused with gambling, which carries a risk! It is a system where you trade with two different bookies on the same event, but with different outcomes". "If you are new to sport's arbitrage trading, imagine placing a trade that ALWAYS wins, regardless of the outcome of the event. Because you never lose, you're not betting at all - you are trading".

I tried to register at the site you posted..they said I was not authorized to enter the forum. I reckon they must have had advanced "warning" about JB, hu? I can read the posts, but can't respond..and you know that AIN'T gonna work for me!! JB

Hi Everyone, I understand that there is a fascinating formula on sleeper expectations for roulette, baccarat, craps, keno, lotteries; meaning that after a specfic number of no show outcomes then the due number is most likely to appear. Has anyone heard about an ostensible physics law called Point of Certainty ? Thanks in advance for your kind replies- RB

As one of the most senior active posters left in this group it is with heavy heart that I concede its death. I understand many Usenet groups have suffered a similar fate, with the dropping of news feeds by ISPs like AOL and the proliferation of web forums being given as probable reasons. Whatever the reason, the signal-to-noise ratio here has become unacceptable. I'll still check in, but I have today joined www.crapsforum.com and I urge other serious posters to take a look at it. Yeah, it has all kinds of ads for online casinos and other junk, but it also has some discussions like this group used to have. Hope to see y'all there. 1 2 [nq:1]The Midnight Skulker[/nq] 9 * 3 aka Van Lewisaka (Email Removed) 6

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Next year is the new decade..not now The dont pass bet with double odds is the best bet in the casino. Why are so many gamblers uninformed?

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I've been a once or twice a year craps player until recently. With Colorado expanding its gaming laws, casinos with craps games are just an hour and a half away. Previously, I used to play PL w/odds with two come bets w/odds. That boom or bust method was OK for the occasional vacation, but I quickly learned that I could not sustain that type of betting if I were going to play more often locally. So I began to educate myself reading books, doing the math, writing computer programs, dealing at parties. Since adopting the Dice Doctor's methods earlier this year, overall I have been on the plus side of things (playing 2-3 times a month). Now that may just be statistical variation, but so far it has been working. I starting this thread to discuss Sam's methods in more detail, get some clarification and opinions. - Progression I've seen an analysis of where sticking with a constant flat bet vs. increasing the bet upon wins. For a shooters with a few passes vs. many, a person is better off with the constant bet. I acknowledge that, but I'm on the side of progression wanting to take advantage of that long winded shooter when he or she comes along. The portion of the progression that I'm interested in is: Flat bet increase of last bet 5 7 40% 10 43% 15 33% 25 67% 35 40% 50 43% 75 50% 125 67% Well I have to modify this table since the limit of an individual bet in Colorado is $100. So I bring the $125 down to $100 and the $75 to $70, resulting in this: Flat bet increase over last flat bet 5 7 40% 10 43% 15 33% 25 67% 35 40% 50 43% 70 40% 100 43% Moving from $25 from $15 does seem that I'm not retaining enough of my last winnings. Can somebody suggest an alternate progression? ...hopefully one that won't annoy the dealers too much with dollar chips. - Single odds values I've chosen to go with single odds instead of double odds. Several factors for this: * keeps my session stake lower * I not allowed make a full double odds bet on any flat bet above $50 (there's that Colorado $100 limit again). * The house advantage between 0.8% and 0.6% is negligible In one place in the book, Sam writes something to the effect that we shouldn't favor one number over the other when placing odds. (like placing a smaller odds bet on 4 and 10 vs. 6 and 8 due to the lower probably of hitting a 4 or 10 vs. a 6 or 8) He writes that the laws of probabilities don't mean much on a short term basis I agree with him. However, it seems a bit contradictory in his odds table. For instance: flat bet 4/10 odds 5/9 odds 6/8 odds 15 15 20 25... 35 35 40 50 Does anyone have a theory on this? ...or have adopted an alternate "single" odds schedule. Dan ...

... a new craps bet on the table layout. OK, I'll invent one: "Odd or Even." A one roll bet, with the payout determined by the odds, skewed slightly in the house's favor like place bets. You can bet odd or even in roulette, why not in craps? Odd: wins if the number rolled is odd, i.e. three, five, seven, nine or eleven. Even: you get the idea.

Apparently there is a version of Card Craps in San Diego where the player can have an advantage on Don't Pass Lay Odds (4,6,8,10), based on the non-replacement feature of the cards dealt. Full explanation at Wizard of Odds. [link] Gregg C.