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Coy    [More info]

I got back from 10 days in Vegas, last Sun. I
re-invented this straegy although I already had
similar WinCraps simulations for it. I tried it out in WinCraps, and played it 3 times live. It made me $300, then $200, then -$100 on $15 dollar tables. I like it because it can get me out on many numbers, which I would otherwise only play by going "ACROSS" all
numbers after the comeout, or placing the the 6 or
8.I'm going to play this strategy sometimes but still use Doey-Don't, Pass/Don't Pass and other strategies during each session. Somebody may have already
invented this strategy, otherwise I'm calling it
"Grow Across". I've never seen other people using this strategy in a casino.
Summary
This is a fairly conservative strategy,because it
seriously limits bankroll variance and money on the table except when numbers are hitting. Here are two side-effects followed by a summary of the strategy and an example. At the end is the WinCraps autobet file content.
-1. You often lose 1 unit on a 7 when you fail to
hit an initial 6 or 8 place bet. This also happens to 6 and 8 players, but they lose more per
point because of placing both numbers and having
passline odds.

0. Much of the time, all you bet is 1 unit on thepass line only, so you win or lose with the point. Dealers may point out that you don't have odds on
the passline bet. You can also miss some good runs - so the stategy is definately unfinished.
1. You play the pass line, but don't take any oddsexcept single odds when the point is 6 or 8.

2. You place the 6 or 8 initially, if the point is4,5,9, or 10 but only if you're up units because of comeout wins on the 7 or 11. This is just used as a trigger and doesn't imply a greater chance for a
win. It effectively keeps you from placing a
number during each point.

3. You grow across all numbers when your place betshit, until all numbers are covered.

4. The simulation never presses or takes down theplace bets.
Example

1. Keep $10 (or 1 unit) on the Pass Line during thecomeout. Keep track of units up or down during the comeout.

2. If up by 1 or more units when the point isestablished: put single odds on the passline if the point is 6 or 8, otherwise place one of these for
$18. If not up by 1 or more units, do nothing -
you're done.

3. If placed and the six hits, then place the 8 or visa versa. You are now growing across the numbers using returns from current bets. IF THE 7
HAPPENS AT ANY TIME, YOU'LL NEVER LOSE MORE THAN ONE UNIT! That's easy on the emotions.

4. If placed and the 6 or 8 hits again, you placethe 9 or 5. You grow from the inside nunbers, which are theoreticaly more likely to occur. If these hit, do the same until all numbers are covered.

5. After the all the numbers are placed, a passlinebet is not required for subsequent comeouts. Just
leave the place bets up, regardless of the current point. The simulation always makes passline bets.
WINCRAPS AUTOBET
The following implementaion shows a fairly stable
bankroll over 3 simulated hours at 120 rolls an
hour. I prefer such stategies because they improve my chances of surviving long enough to see a good
run.
WinCraps Auto-Bets
13-Jan-07, 10:52:49
Auto-Bet File: c:\program fileswincraps\grow x3.bet When . . .
Initializing Auto-Bet
then . . .
Bet $ 10 on Pass Line

While . . .
Next roll is a come-out roll
then . . .
Bet $ 10 on Pass Line

While . . .
Next roll is a come-out roll
and when . . .
Pass Line has won each time
then . . .
Add $ 1 to Chip-Stack # 1

While . . .
Next roll is a come-out roll
and when . . .
Pass Line has lost each time
then . . .
Subtract $ 1 from Chip-Stack # 1

When . . .
A point is established on the number 6
and while . . .
Chip-Stack # 1 is greater than $ 0
then . . .
Bet $ 10 on Pass Line Odds

When . . .
A point is established on the number 8
and while . . .
Chip-Stack # 1 is greater than $ 0
then . . .
Bet $ 10 on Pass Line Odds

When . . .
A point is established on the number 4
and while . . .
Chip-Stack # 1 is greater than $ 0
then . . .
Bet $ 12 on Place 6

When . . .
A point is established on the number 5
and while . . .
Chip-Stack # 1 is greater than $ 0
then . . .
Bet $ 12 on Place 6

When . . .
A point is established on the number 9
and while . . .
Chip-Stack # 1 is greater than $ 0
then . . .
Bet $ 12 on Place 8

When . . .
A point is established on the number 10
and while . . .
Chip-Stack # 1 is greater than $ 0
then . . .
Bet $ 12 on Place 8

When . . .
A point is established on any number
then . . .
Bet $ 0 on Chip-Stack # 1

When . . .
Place 6 has won 1 time
then . . .
Bet $ 12 on Place 8

When . . .
Place 8 has won 1 time
then . . .
Bet $ 12 on Place 6

When . . .
Place 6 has won 2 times
then . . .
Bet $ 10 on Place 5

When . . .
Place 8 has won 2 times
then . . .
Bet $ 10 on Place 9

When . . .
Place 6 has won 3 times
then . . .
Bet $ 10 on Place 4

When . . .
Place 8 has won 3 times
then . . .
Bet $ 10 on Place 10

When . . .
Place 5 has won 1 time
then . . .
Bet $ 10 on Place 4

When . . .
Place 9 has won 1 time
then . . .
Bet $ 10 on Place 10
Coy
+1 Alan Shank    [More info]

"I got back from 10 days in Vegas, last Sun. I re-invented this straegy although I already had similar WinCraps ... for subsequent comeouts. Just leave the place bets up, regardless of the current point. The simulation always makes passline bets."

Of course, by placing the outer numbers you are accepting a considerably higher HA, compared to taking odds on outside points.
"WINCRAPS AUTOBET The following implementaion shows a fairly stable bankroll over 3 simulated hours at 120 rolls an hour. I ... When . . . Place 9 has won 1 time then . . . Bet $ 10 on Place 10"

Just off the top of my head, I think you may need to review the use of "When" and "While" in the autobet language. I am going to copy the text and check it out, but not right now.
Cheers,
Alan Shank
Alan Shank
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"Of course, by placing the outer numbers you are accepting ... check it out, but not right now. Cheers, Alan Shank"

Here is a games log, followed by the latest version. For 30 three-hour games at 120 rolls an hour, it won 40% of these games. Starting bankroll was $600.
WinCraps Games Log
14-Jan-07, 22:55:07
Filename: c:\program fileswincraps\default.glg
Game #Ending bankroll

1 598
2 752
3 410
4 418
5 622
6 732
7 720
8 712
9 574
10 524
11 616
12 702
13 394
14 596
15 928
16 338
17 932
18 584
19 540
20 506
21 446
22 905
23 450
24 524
25 456
26 748
27 384
28 372
29 630
30 584

AUTOBET FILE CONTENTS
WinCraps Auto-Bets
14-Jan-07, 22:57:36
Auto-Bet File: c:\program fileswincraps\grow x3.bet
GrowX: Set New Games to Use a $500 or %600 Bankroll
When . . .
Initializing Auto-Bet
then . . .
Bet $ 5 on Chip-Stack # 40
Bet 200 % of Chip-Stack # 40 on Chip-Stack # 50

Bankroll Threasholds

Bet $ 300 on Chip-Stack # 30
Bet $ 600 on Chip-Stack # 60
Bet $ 900 on Chip-Stack # 90
Bet $ 1200 on Chip-Stack # 12
Bet $ 2400 on Chip-Stack # 24
Bet $ 3600 on Chip-Stack # 36
Bet $ 4800 on Chip-Stack # 48

Chipstack Names Indicate the Purpose of Each Chipstack
Name Chip-Stack # 40 as "BaseUnit"
Name Chip-Stack # 50 as "CurrentBase"
Name Chip-Stack # 1 as "ComeoutWins"
Name Chip-Stack # 10 as "PlaceWins"
Name Chip-Stack # 4 as "ShooterRollCount"

Set Progress Bets to True in Flag Values Dialog if Desired
Set flag "ProgressBets" to True

See ShooterRollCount as Chipstack #4 (on the left margin)
Set flag "StopWhenAcross" to False

Passline Comeout Play

While . . .
Next roll is a come-out roll
then . . .
Bet 100 % of Chip-Stack # 50 on Pass Line

Count All Rolls During Point Play

else . . .
Add $ 1 to Chip-Stack # 4

Keep Running Total of Comeout Wins

While . . .
Next roll is a come-out roll
and when . . .
Pass Line has won each time
then . . .
Add $ 1 to Chip-Stack # 1

While . . .
Next roll is a come-out roll
and when . . .
Pass Line has lost each time
then . . .
Subtract $ 1 from Chip-Stack # 1

Use Passline Odds for 6 or 8 Only

When . . .
A point is established on the number 6
and while . . .
Chip-Stack # 1 is greater than $ 0
then . . .
Bet 100 % of Chip-Stack # 50 on Pass Line Odds

When . . .
A point is established on the number 8
and while . . .
Chip-Stack # 1 is greater than $ 0
then . . .
Bet 100 % of Chip-Stack # 50 on Pass Line Odds

Count Every Place Bet Win

When . . .
Any Place bet has won each time
then . . .
Add $ 1 to Chip-Stack # 10

Place Initial Point When Permitted

When . . .
A point is established on the number 4
and while . . .
Chip-Stack # 1 is greater than $ 0
then . . .
Bet 100 % of Chip-Stack # 50 on Place 6
Set flag "6Placed" to True

When . . .
A point is established on the number 5
and while . . .
Chip-Stack # 1 is greater than $ 0
then . . .
Bet 100 % of Chip-Stack # 50 on Place 6
Set flag "6Placed" to True

When . . .
A point is established on the number 9
and while . . .
Chip-Stack # 1 is greater than $ 0
then . . .
Bet 100 % of Chip-Stack # 50 on Place 8
Set flag "8Placed" to True

When . . .
A point is established on the number 10
and while . . .
Chip-Stack # 1 is greater than $ 0
then . . .
Bet 100 % of Chip-Stack # 50 on Place 8
Set flag "8Placed" to True

Reset Comeout Win Counter

When . . .
A point is decided "for" or "against" any number
then . . .
Bet $ 0 on Chip-Stack # 1

Grow Across As Place Bets Win

While . . .
Flag "6Placed" is True
and while . . .
Flag "8Placed" is False
and when . . .
Place 6 has won 1 time
then . . .
Bet 100 % of Chip-Stack # 50 on Place 8
Set flag "8Placed" to True

While . . .
Flag "8Placed" is True
and while . . .
Flag "6Placed" is False
and when . . .
Place 8 has won 1 time
then . . .
Bet 100 % of Chip-Stack # 50 on Place 6
Set flag "6Placed" to True

While . . .
Flag "6Placed" is True
and while . . .
Flag "8Placed" is True
and while . . .
Flag "5Placed" is False
and when . . .
Any Place bet has won 2 times
or while . . .
Place 6 has won 1 time
and while . . .
Place 8 has won 1 time
then . . .
Bet 100 % of Chip-Stack # 50 on Place 5
Set flag "5Placed" to True

While . . .
Flag "6Placed" is True
and while . . .
Flag "8Placed" is True
and while . . .
Flag "5Placed" is True
and while . . .
Flag "9Placed" is False
and when . . .
Chip-Stack # 10 is not less than $ 3
then . . .
Bet 100 % of Chip-Stack # 50 on Place 9
Set flag "9Placed" to True

While . . .
Flag "6Placed" is True
and while . . .
Flag "8Placed" is True
and while . . .
Flag "5Placed" is True
and while . . .
Flag "9Placed" is True
and while . . .
Flag "4Placed" is False
and when . . .
Chip-Stack # 10 is not less than $ 4
then . . .
Bet 100 % of Chip-Stack # 50 on Place 4
Set flag "4Placed" to True

Buy the 4

While . . .
Chip-Stack # 50 is not less than $ 20
and when . . .
Flag "4Placed" is True
then . . .
Bet 100 % of Chip-Stack # 50 on Buy 4

While . . .
Flag "6Placed" is True
and while . . .
Flag "8Placed" is True
and while . . .
Flag "5Placed" is True
and while . . .
Flag "9Placed" is True
and while . . .
Flag "4Placed" is True
and while . . .
Flag "10Placed" is False
and when . . .
Chip-Stack # 10 is not less than $ 5
then . . .
Bet 100 % of Chip-Stack # 50 on Place 10
Set flag "10Placed" to True

Buy the 10

While . . .
Chip-Stack # 50 is not less than $ 20
and when . . .
Flag "10Placed" is True
then . . .
Bet 100 % of Chip-Stack # 50 on Buy 10

Reset All Place Bets Flags to False

When . . .
A point is decided "against" any number
then . . .
Set flag "4Placed" to False
Set flag "5Placed" to False
Set flag "6Placed" to False
Set flag "8Placed" to False
Set flag "9Placed" to False
Set flag "10Placed" to False
Bet $ 0 on Chip-Stack # 10
Bet $ 0 on Chip-Stack # 4

Stop When Across for Manual Presses

When . . .
Flag "10Placed" is True
and while . . .
Flag "StopWhenAcross" is True
then . . .
Stop Auto-Rolling / Hyper-Drive

Stop Rolling When Bankroll is Gone

When . . .
Bankroll is less than Chip-Stack # 50
then . . .
Stop Auto-Rolling / Hyper-Drive

Adjust Base Bet to Current Bankroll
$4800 or Greater

While . . .
Flag "ProgressBets" is True
and while . . .
Bankroll is not less than Chip-Stack # 48
then . . .
Bet 1000 % of Chip-Stack # 40 on Chip-Stack # 50

$3600 to $4800

While . . .
Flag "ProgressBets" is True
and while . . .
Bankroll is not less than Chip-Stack # 36
then . . .
Bet 800 % of Chip-Stack # 40 on Chip-Stack # 50

$2400 to $3600 (Begin Betting Quarters)

While . . .
Flag "ProgressBets" is True
and while . . .
Bankroll is not less than Chip-Stack # 24
then . . .
Bet 500 % of Chip-Stack # 40 on Chip-Stack # 50

$1200 to $2400

While . . .
Flag "ProgressBets" is True
and while . . .
Bankroll is not less than Chip-Stack # 12
then . . .
Bet 400 % of Chip-Stack # 40 on Chip-Stack # 50

$900 to $1200

While . . .
Flag "ProgressBets" is True
and while . . .
Bankroll is not less than Chip-Stack # 90
then . . .
Bet 300 % of Chip-Stack # 40 on Chip-Stack # 50

$300 to $900

While . . .
Flag "ProgressBets" is True
and while . . .
Bankroll is less than Chip-Stack # 60
then . . .
Bet 200 % of Chip-Stack # 40 on Chip-Stack # 50

Less Than $300

While . . .
Flag "ProgressBets" is True
and while . . .
Bankroll is less than Chip-Stack # 30
then . . .
Bet 100 % of Chip-Stack # 40 on Chip-Stack # 50
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