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RE: ?: How to handle or avoid bad beats page 3This is a discussion thread · 21 replies Calahan MacCool: [nq:1]"trivial" had quotations for a reason (indicates sarcasm). I was wondering if anyone has any tips on how to avoid ... method of picking up on the fact that you've gotten beat by a kicker, before the cards get turned. Thanks.[/nq]Know your opponant. Play your position correctly. Know the size of the pot and know how much each of you has in front of you. IMHO and others may vehemently disagree There are so many opportunities to win the pot in NL hold'em with and without a hand that I find it quite easy to fold hands that I'm unsure of, that could very well be in the money pot-odds winners but I'm otherwise risking my whole stack. Certain situations you are not going to escape unless you have an iron clad read. Like times you get to limp with KJ suited and somebody in front limped with AK and the flop brings KK3.The bigger you bet, the less options you'll find yourself with later on. The perfect example is over betting the pot in the above example and getting raised. If you bet 75% of your stack, you are going to be trapped. If you bet 25% of your stack then get raised you may be able to get rid of the hand. But also, if you bet too much and get raised or called, your chances of having the best hand are smaller then if you bet smaller and got raised or called. Some people will make a move on you if they think your bet is weak but otherwise let it go (if you have them beat) if you bet too big. Other things like draw potentials on the flop should influence you too. A flop of KK3 with a flush draw, or a flop of KKA, or KKQ. It is harder to get trapped when you have position too. Somebody trying to trap you might be underbetting the pot or think they have to sell the hand to extract more money from you. Cases like these you can escape for cheaply. But you have to learn your players and what their bets mean. One players 50% of the pot bet might be trying to buy a card cheaply, while another is trying to set you up. Hands like QJ KTs AJ all sorts of hands that can have kicker problems well you shouldn't be trying to move all in with them unless you are sure you have the best of it, and if somebody is trying to put you all in then you have to decide and make some judgements. It's impossible to play 100% perfect. You are going to throw away the best hand sometimes, but as long as you keep yourself from getting crippled, there will be opportunities to win a huge pot and know you were ahead. Here is an example of a player I play with regularly. Pre-flop (pot size bets are often the blinds or blinds and 1 or 2 limpers) AA limp reraise rarely, otherwise 3X to 5X the pot. Will try and put you all in pre-flop if he can. KK limp reraise rarely, otherwise 3X to 5X the pot. Will not try and put you all in, but will call if you try and put him all in. QQ limp reraise never, limp yes. 2X to 3X the pot. Will call all-in if pushed. JJ/TT limp reraise never, limp yes. Tendency to over bet pre-flop 5X pot. AK limp reraise never, limp yes. Plays like QQ, but generaly won't go all in unless he commited alot of chips. AQ limps early, small raise late. Plays like AK. Post flop (pot size bets 75% to 125% of pot, overbet is 200% or better. Post oak bluffs are 25%-50% of the pot) Perfectly capable of checking the nuts to you twice. Large calls on the flop indicate a thru-ticket. Overbets big pairs on bad looking flops, like T98. Easily manipulated to check the turn if out of position. Cannot be easily moved off of top pair nut kicker, but top pair good kicker will try and get their cheaply, will stand pressure if he thinks you are running over him. Will defend blind unless faced with huges bets. Turn (pot sized bets are 75% to 125% of the pot, over bets are 200% or better) Bet the flop, check the turn means weak holdings, up to top pair marginal kicker is the best you can probably put them on. Providing he didn't pot size bet the flop. Pot sized flop bet and check on the turn is danger. You will not run him off the hand. Pot sized turn bet indicates strong holding, top pair nut kicker minimum. Would not be drawing in this instance, unless he has top pair w/flush draw. Overbets are significant threats. Indicate unmade hands but very strong, set, top two. Will try and sell made hands. River (pot sized bets are 75% to 125% of the pot, over bets are 200% or better) Won't be bluffing big bets. Will try and sell made hands. Check after betting flop and turn means he's vulnerable to top two and you can extract value bets from him. Check raise means he backed into a hand. Check usually means he will call reasonable bets, rarely will lay down top pair nut kicker or better if he got this far. Note: Most of this deals with me having position. Simply because I rely on position and am generaly uninterested in hands where I'm out of position.
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Dave Hitt: [nq:1]You should always have foremost in your mind Position, Player, Pot size and Stack size.[/nq]I think a lot of newbees ignore position. We memorize starting hands, learn all we can about figuring outs, pot odds and implied odds, and pay little or no attention to position. Position is an enormous factor. Once I learned that, my game improved significantly. Not only did I play better when I had position, but I also stopped leaking money by betting on medium hands in weak positions. Dave Hitt If it kills so many people, why can't they name three of them? http://www.davehitt.com/2004/name three.html Quick Hitts - Rapid Rants From the Hittman http://www.davehitt.com/blog/index.html
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