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How honest is online PokerThis is a discussion thread · 7 replies Anonymous: The idea of Collusion, Chip dumping and some of the scandles such as the Ultimate Bet one makes me wonder how honest this industry is.Anonymous: What happened with ultimate bet?And what is collusion? I managed to find this on a news feed, Don't know much about the whole affair but here's what pokeronamac said... "In the dictionary betrayal is defined as being unfaithful in guarding, maintaining or fulfilling ones trust. In the world of poker betrayal can be defined even shorter and that is just by uttering the words Absolute poker and Ultimate Bet. I know everyone has heard about the scandal that went on at Absolute poker with the entire cheating program that exposed other player’s hole cards. Well at least we thought everyone saw it because the people at Ultimate Bet must not have gotten the memo. About a month ago Tokwiro Enterprises released a statement to the public stating that after months of investigation and player complaints due to accounts having results far beyond statistical norms, they have come to the conclusion that under certain accounts there was a super user account active that showed some accounts other players hole cards. In the statement sent out by Tokwiro Enterprises it stats that the software code was part of a “legacy auditing system that was manipulated by the perpetrators,” it was referring to the fact that before Tokwiro Enterprises purchased the site the hidden software code was already within the system and Tokwiro Enterprises did not have any knowledge of such software within the system. The investigation began back in January of 2008 after months of complaints by players and observers that an account by the name of “NioNio” was winning to many hands statistically speaking. After the months of receiving these complaints Ultimate Bet contacted the KGC to provide formal notice that Ultimate Bet is going to initiate an investigation. During the months of investigation six player accounts were found to have been participating in the illegal use of the super user account. During the investigation the accounts that were found to have been using the super user account were found to have been changing their screen names on a constant basis. After the investigation was complete Ultimate Bet went on to find that the six player accounts using the super user account were in fact doing so from March 7th, 2006 all the way to December 3rd, 2007. This was also a time that the accounts were found to have also changed there screen names multiple times to try and make other players think that they were not in fact the same person. The Tokwiro Enterprise has sent out a letter of apology to the public for not realizing what was going on and not catching the problem with the software at a sooner time and has since then began the long process of refunding money to everyone that was affected. Tokwiro Enterprise also found that the accounts did not always use an unfair advantage while playing but everyone that lost money to the accounts at anytime no matter if the super user account was active or not will get a refund of all money lost. Since this crime took place to a lot of innocent players online, Ultimate Bet has put into place a security program that will prevent anything like this from happening again." And regarding collusion wiki had this to say: "Collusion is an agreement, usually secretive, which occurs between two or more people to deceive, mislead, or defraud others of their legal rights, or to obtain an objective forbidden by law typically involving fraud or gaining an unfair advantage" Hope that helps Anonymous: It's quite common for groups of players to form cabals and communicate over other channels their hands and any other relevant information. This isn't even the companies doing (a lot of online poker companies actively hunt down and try to eliminate this kind of behavior). Basically the problem is that with a real life table you are going to notice if two players have their cellphones out and are communicating with each other, however online instant messaging and phone communication is obviously going to go unnoticed.Statistically speaking I don't know how much of a problem this is but I'd say If you are a really good player it isn't going to hurt your game that much (If we're talking about regular users playing dirty) although I'm not entirely sure. Online poker sevice providers have way too much to lose if they don't avt in a fair and responsible way... at least that is the case with the major players. The scandles that you mentioned involved ex-workers at the firms acting fraudelently. I don't really think the operators per se were to blame. Anonymous: Hello! interesting post. See you around. Anonymous: all.sietes.that.iplayd.in.so.far.look.like.they.all.cheat.after.4yrs.of.playing.i.m.very.good.at.ittwhen.i.play.live.games.in.kansas.city.most.times.iwinnnn..but.on.line.boy.i.can.looose 100.gamesss,,in,,a,,roww online gaming sites are only as safe/trustworthy as their security level. the only safe bet is to play people in person. if you're in Chicago, visit www.allincharitable.com to play poker in person! | Have a question? People are waiting to help. Interesting stuff |
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