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RE: How much skill is there really in poker, more specifically, Texas holdem (low-limit) page 2This is a discussion thread · 137 replies whoareume: hahahahahahahaha!!!hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!! -dom Posted using RecPoker.com - http://www.recpoker.com
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newsnewsnews: [nq:2]Then he forgets that he still has cards. Chan had to remind him![/nq][nq:1]Commenting on that is just stupid. The guy had not been playing a lot of live poker and was now ... the world. And on TV! Of course he was nervous, that little incident tells you nothing about his poker skills.[/nq] I agree! JMR
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Dave L: Ok, I'll feed the mindless troll:No dickhead, I tried to answer you so you would understand. You are the chicken *** hiding behind a computer swirling insults. Glad I took the time to attempt to help your feeble mind comprehend a concept. [nq:2]First of all, Moneymaker wasn't a "rank amateur." He'd been playingpoker for years and had thousands of hours logged in online play.[/nq] [nq:1]He was a rank amatuer, and he had logged nowhere near the number of hours that the people he was playing on the final table had. He was employed asan accountant.[/nq] You stupidity is showing in spades. You think a $100 freezout is high stakes??? The key was a series of 30 freezouts, not just one. Are all chess "experts" as stupid as you come across? Do your own *** research next time.
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newsnewsnews: [nq:1]Ok, I'll feed the mindless troll:[/nq]You're the mindless troll kiddo. You've made it patently obvious that you're just a punkass that knows nothing at all about poker. Do the group a favor and spend your time trolling in a yahoo chat room instead of here. JMR
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newsnewsnews: I know that you're an idiot and a snivelling little coward Dave, and I don't need to do a google search for confirmation of that obvious fact. You're the new brand of weasle that hides behind his computer and mouths off to people. I know for a fact that you would be quiet like a little mouse if we were face to face. Why don't you do the group a favour and run along kiddo.JMR
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Victor van den Broek: Ok guys enough with the mudslinging in the rest of this thread.Here's an article about the amount of skill in poker, scientifically sound apparently. They simplify quite a bit, but I believe that only downplays the amount of skill in poker. As you will see they rank chess as having a skillfactor of 1, 3 man simplepoker as having a skillfactor of 0.35, blackjack as having a skillfactor of 0.006. http://top.umh.es/TOP09105.pdf read it for yourself, it's quite a bit of math etc but should make for a decent read. Victor
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newsnewsnews: Thanks alot Victor. Yours is the first intelligent response to my post.JMR
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Newgca: [nq:1]You're really not saying anything here. What is "alot"? Is alot 10%, 50%, 99%? And in what way are you qualified to answer the question? JMR[/nq]Poker is skill and luck. The more players in the game, the more luck is involved. Short handed games and the types of poker games you play tend or add luck into the equation. Certain short handed games eliminate much of the luck and enable the better player to win faster. Games such as limit holdem have to much luck compared to most poker games, thus casinos love promoting these games as the money goes round and round longer than if other games were played. No Limit Holdem has to much luck to be considered the hardest or best way to play the game. Any idiot reading even the more simple book on the game can learn when he has close to a coin flip scenario and thus stick the money in. Pot limit holdem takes this option away as more thinking is involved. But more thinking hurts the bottom line of the casino, so we are forced with playing a game where anyone has a chance of winning. I have stated most anyone has a chance of winning any tournament, yet their chance greatly diminishes depending on the type of tournament played. You want dead money, have people play games like RAZZ, DRAW, 5 Card Stud, not holdem. Holdem was presented decades ago to fleece suckers, but basically it is much like tic tac toe these days, compared to most poker games. Casinos like this game as they maximize their rake or take. Players with little ability can easily become competitive quickly. Holdem also adds speed and action to the table, making it more exciting for novice players. All think because they play good cards, they are playing 'good cards'. Playing good cards has two meanings. Without having the ability to play your cards well, playing quality starting hands will only slow the bleeding down. Russ Georgiev www.pokermafia.com
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Scott Wills: None of those things sound like luck to me, they just sound like a gap in another player's knowledge base. If you're definition of luck includes "playing against people who are worse than you" then fair enough, but I wouldn't put it in mine.What you're saying is that there's luck in the pairings of a tournament. That's completely different to there actually being luck in the game of Chess itself. Scott.
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