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How much skill is there really in poker, more specifically, Texas holdem (low-limit)This is a discussion thread · 137 replies newsnewsnews: I'm fairly new to poker, but i've been a games player for over 25 years. I used to make a living as a professional backgammon player for 7 years and now play tournament chess at the expert-class level. While chess has less of a luck factor than backgammon, backgammon is enough of a skill contest to ensure that the top players are always consistent earners and tournament winners. Last years wsop champion Chris Moneymaker was a rank amatuer that works as an accountant. He blasted through a series of so called "pros" like a hot knife going through butter. So I am wondering if there is really that much to work with. Just curious what some experienced players would have to say on this issue.JMR I hold that it is bad as far as we are concerned if a person, a political party, an army or a school is not attacked by the enemy, for in that case it would definitely mean that we have sunk to the level of the enemy. It is good if we are attacked by the enemy, since it proves that we have drawn a clear line of demarcation between the enemy and ourselves. It is still better if the enemy attacks us wildly and paints us as utterly black and without a single virtue; it demonstrates that we have not only drawn a clear line of demarcation between the enemy and ourselves but achieved a great deal in our work. Mao Tse-Tung
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DynaMike: You ask about low limit hold em, then bring up Chris Moneymaker???Posted using RecPoker.com - http://www.recpoker.com
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DrewEwing: There is actually ZERO luck in chess, ZERO. Chris Moneymaker and Robert V. the winner of the 2002 WSOP championship event. Poker is alot of skill and alot of luck. Chris Moneymaker got really lucky in spots to win, cracking Humberto Brenes and his AA with MoneyMakers 88. DutchBoyd would never have gotten to where he was if he hadnt made quads on the river to beat a higher set. Every sport and game has people who can get a little lucky in their quest, poker more than others.Posted using RecPoker.com - http://www.recpoker.com
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Berj: I am as amazed at Moneymaker as anybody else was. The guy made so many bad plays (and these are just the ones that we have seen on TV). Then he forgets that he still has cards. Chan had to remind him!How somebody like that makes it through the first day, let alone wins the tournament..I have no idea! Moss and Unger must have been rolling over in their graves! berj www.AuthenticWatches.com
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Dave L: [nq:1]I'm fairly new to poker, but i've been a games player for over 25 years. I used to make a ... there is reallythat much to work with. Just curious what some experienced players would haveto say on this issue. JMR[/nq]Well, I'd be happy to sit down with you in a series of 30 $100 HU NLHE freezeout matches and when we are done you can tell me how much there is to this game.First of all, Moneymaker wasn't a "rank amateur." He'd been playing poker for years and had thousands of hours logged in online play. He didn't blast through anyone. He made some good plays, got a little lucky, and was the last man standing in an 800+ player tournament. "Amateurs" outnumbered "pros" by probably a 4-1 margin, so the likelihood of a random "rank amateur" of winning the whole thing was rather high (just as it will be once again this year). Second, anyone can get lucky in the short term and win...ANYONE. Luck is a factor in poker, but a skilled player knows how to minimize the "luck factor." A lucky player can not make a living playing the game...eventually, they will go broke. There are many skilled player, however, who year in and year out do well enough to support themselves and their families. Those are the players that have figured out how to minimize luck. Anyone can go broke playing this game. A select few have figured out how to avoid it.
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newsnewsnews: [nq:1]There is actually ZERO luck in chess, ZERO.[/nq]Actually you are wrong. There is some luck in chess. The very best players in the world will confirm that. Especially when you are playing someone that you know nothing about and have never played before, luck can manifest in terms of choosing an opening line that your opponent just happens to be extremely booked up in, or conversly enjoy the good luck of playing into a line your opponent is ignorant of. There are other areas that luck can be a factor in chess, such as getting the white pieces against a player who's repertoire with black is not a problem for you, but who's white repertoire would be problematic for you in a Swiss event. I am curious what your qualifications are in this game for you to so confidently blabber so? [nq:1]Chris Moneymaker and Robert V. the winner of the 2002 WSOP championship event. Poker is alot of skill and alot of luck.[/nq] You're really not saying anything here. What is "alot"? Is alot 10%, 50%, 99%? And in what way are you qualified to answer the question? JMR
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newsnewsnews: [nq:1]You ask about low limit hold em, then bring up Chris Moneymaker???[/nq]Yeah, you have a problem commenting on two forms of the same game in one post??? JMR
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newsnewsnews: [nq:1]I am as amazed at Moneymaker as anybody else was. The guy made so manybad plays (and these are just ... first day, let alone wins the tournament..I have no idea! Moss and Unger must have been rollingover in their graves![/nq]I'm starting to think that the technical aspects of the game of poker are relatively insignificant and that it's mostly a game requiring good nerves and some ability where applied psychology is concerned. JMR
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newsnewsnews: [nq:2]I'm fairly new to poker, but i've been a games ... play tournament chess at the expert-class level. While chess hasless[/nq][nq:1]of[/nq] Oh yeah, big tough guy blabbing from behind his computer. Instead of attempting to answer my question with an intelligent response you give me the juvenile deliquent's all balls no brains answer. [nq:1]First of all, Moneymaker wasn't a "rank amateur." He'd been playing poker for years and had thousands of hours logged in online play.[/nq] He was a rank amatuer, and he had logged nowhere near the number of hours that the people he was playing on the final table had. He was employed as an accountant. [nq:1]He.. got a little lucky, Second, anyone can get lucky in the shortterm and win...ANYONE. "[/nq] Here you are contradicting yourself. You're the same "big-hero" macho-man that wanted to play me a high stakes game, now saying that Moneymaker "got a little lucky". JMR
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D.H.: [nq:1]Then he forgets that he still has cards. Chan had to remind him![/nq]Commenting on that is just stupid. The guy had not been playing a lot of live poker and was now up against the best players in the world. And on TV! Of course he was nervous, that little incident tells you nothing about his poker skills. Posted using RecPoker.com - http://www.recpoker.com
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