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RE: Lederer bad beats Jett on Travel Channel page 3This is a discussion thread · 52 replies George E. Ays: Speaking of oddities...I've seen 3 suited flops (Xd - Yd - Zd) make 3 simultaneous flushes this week. Entertaining...but odd.[nq:1]I will share one oddity I've noticed...pre-flop raisers hit their hands...alot. I've seen 5-5 raise pre-flop, make a 5 on ... frusterated and gave it a shot, I raised preflop with A5s, flopped A-5-x, turn rag, river was a 5. hhhmm.[/nq] Posted using RecPoker.com - http://www.recpoker.com
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Beuksux: you guys that carry the torch for online poker all sound like broken records, every reply is exactly the same, "it's always the bad players that think it's rigged and we should read a book and learn the game".so apparently because i'm not a sucker, and am smart enough not to trust a deck of cards i can't touch, that means i can't play. okay, whatever. well answer me this, then... you've never seen me play, you've never had a conversation with me about poker, you don't know how long i've been playing, and you don't know jack *** about my abilities at a card table. so how do you know what kind of a player i am, and where are you hiding that crystal ball that gave you all this valuable information about me? and you can't compare your business (ie: where you have to see your customers in person) to some shady industry that operates a web server and a software program out of some third world country where they don't have to answer to a single coustomer face to face. and as for you raping your customers, if you owned a casino, every time one of your patrons put a quarter in a slot machine and pulled the handle, you'd be raping them. but they'd keep coming back anyway, wouldn't they? why do you think the gov't keep such tight reigns on things like drugs, gambling, and alcohol? why do you think it's okay for Donald Trump to open up a casino, pump people full of free booze, and make boatloads of cash while you or i would get thrown in jail for opening up a poker room in our home town? for the very reasons that organized crime has thrived in such industries for decades. cuz the 'vice' industry is a no-lose, no-risk business and any idiot could make money doing it. so, you think if people knew that online poker was rigged they'd stop playing? get real, man. people know alcohol addiction and drug addiction are bad for them, as well as being hooked on betting football with seven figure debts to the local bookie, but do they stop? of course not. people lack self-control, and that's why only a select few are permitted to cash in on such human weakness. and no matter how many bad beats they suffer, they'll keep throwing their money into the black hole, bro. especially when access to the game is only a mouse click away. [nq:1]to in and fights[/nq] Posted using RecPoker.com - http://www.recpoker.com
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Beuksux: you're welcome. and i'm glad i was able to enlighten you. now go out there and BE somebody, man!as for my business, i manufacture athletic accessory items and wholesale them to retail sporting goods stores. so every time you go into your local sports shop to make a purchase, think of me. Cuz you might just be putting money in my pocket without knowing it, while i sit on my ass in my office and argue with all you online poker shills. 'let the buyer beware'.. Posted using RecPoker.com - http://www.recpoker.com
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Mark D. Money: like i said above im not going to get into a big thing with you. i think you are totally misinformed and obviously have some kind of agenda against online card rooms.for a person that admits they "play for fun" I think you may want to take a step back and maybe talk to people who play online and live professionally or semi professionally. They obviously have more experience than you. Thats all I am going to say on this matter because I do not carry on debates with people who are totally misinformed. [nq:1]bad lamenting online ahead.[/nq] [nq:2]to in and[/nq] [nq:1]Chip[/nq] [nq:2]fights[/nq] Posted using RecPoker.com - http://www.recpoker.com
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EGK: I think you're missing his point. I didnt see him say he knew online poker was rigged. Maybe he did and I missed that. Suspicins sure aren't proof.My view is that cheating is something that's gone on in poker and gambling in general forever. So, why is it so hard to believe that online card rooms might be cheating too? I'm not saying they are, mind you, but would any of us be surprised if some real proof came to light about one of the big name sites? It's just the nature of what's always been a pretty seedy business and pretty normal to take a cynical view of it.The only "evidence" of something fishy online is just anecdotal. I do think they have a big incentive to skew the odds of hitting what most would consider sucker bets. It's going to keep more people playing if they think the odds are better then they really are. One of the old axioms of draw poker used to be "Never draw to an inside straight" The way people will hold on to one card online then watch as the table fills it up around them is just amazing. As has been mentioned, one reason you see more hands like this is the sheer number of hands played compared to a brick and mortar casino. The other big reason I see is you can play online for MUCH lower stakes then in casinos. When people don't care about the money they're risking they will take a chance much more often. More chances means more times you'll see them hit it. The Travel channel had a show a while ago about new video games for casinos. I caught it after one of the WPT shows. They talked about how popular a particular video poker game had become. I can't remember the game off-hand but they talked about how the programmer had tweaked the odds to make it more attractive to those playing it while still making a nice profit for the casinos. Is it so hard to believe that online poker software could be set to do something similar? [nq:1]like i said above im not going to get into a big thing with you. i think you are totally ... am going to say on this matter because I do not carry on debates with people who are totally misinformed.[/nq] "There would be a lot more civility in this world if people didn't take that as an invitation to walk all over you" - (Calvin and Hobbes)
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Matt Blackler: [nq:1]I will share one oddity I've noticed...pre-flop raisers hit their hands...alot. I've seen 5-5 raise pre-flop, make a 5 on ... frusterated and gave it a shot, I raised preflop with A5s, flopped A-5-x, turn rag, river was a 5. hhhmm.[/nq]Any journal of statistics will be happy to publish this rigorous research. This is the conclusive proof everyone's been waiting for; online poker is clearly rigged.
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Andy: [nq:1]And also that was one of the worse WPT telecasts IMHO. At one point Lederer lost a pretty big hand ... short stack on the verge of blinding out to being close to the chip lead and winning the whole thing.[/nq]I noticed that as well. very dissapointing. I felt robbed that I didn't get to see any of it. Posted using RecPoker.com - http://www.recpoker.com
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George E. Ays: You haven't been at my table @ pokerroom.com lately then  [nq:1]bumps check he shake investigation. and Chip 3 it about blind, me a bad beat. the[/nq] Posted using RecPoker.com - http://www.recpoker.com
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Mark D. Money: EKG,It seems to me he is pretty sure they are all rigged. I am sure some are, however my point is, that if I am coming out a winner or if other people are, than its likely that it is not rigged. It would take a freaking poker genius to beat a rigged poker game. I can play, but I am no genius and I come out ahead. So how can that game be rigged? When you go to any casino there are games with horrible odds aka sucker bets, people who lose at those games may say they are rigged, but the reality is, they are ignorant to that fact that they have terrible odds that favor the house dramaticly and do not research or master the game they play. I have been in countless situations on line where some idiot will go all in with K 8 off and lose and swear its rigged and vow "never to play online again". He is blaming the game for his bad play. Same in card rooms, I have seen many times an idiot will harrass the dealer claiming some kind of foul play because he went all in with AK and lost. Again, im sure some are rigged, however most of the time when people cry rigged the reality is, they are just not that good and made a poor decision. And for someone to get on here and write a 9 page essay blasting online card rooms after they admit they "play for fun" and act like bad beats in live games dont happen all that much is ludicrus. [nq:2]like i said above im not going to get into ... not carry on debates with people who are totally misinformed.[/nq] [nq:1] "There would be a lot more civility in this world if people didn't take that as an invitation to walk all over you" - (Calvin and Hobbes)[/nq] Posted using RecPoker.com - http://www.recpoker.com
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