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RE: My ODDS are working!! page 5This is a discussion thread · 55 replies Richard: $(Email Removed):[nq:1]You know, I woke up last night and realized what it meant. Duh![/nq] If this stuff keeps you from sleeping, you may need a rest. Richard
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TeddysDad: [nq:1]Last weekend I gave the dealers a hand in when I cashed out; until then, I have toked via hard ... a couple bucks, up front, so they know right out of the chute to treat me right. roll dem bones[/nq]http://tinyurl.com/5vjxr
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TeddysDad: [nq:2]It fascinates me in craps that this culture has evolved ... take max odds), but it doesn't seem to happen much.[/nq][nq:1]Another basic strategy and Gamblers Handbook-quoting lemming who thinks he can teach the rest of us how to play. "Hey ... "Does it contain any abstract reasoning concerning quantity or number? ... Commit it then to the flames..." - Hume[/nq]
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The Midnight Skulker: [nq:1]I always tip the dealers directly. * Kiss of Death* for me to make a dealer bet of any kind. I'd say 95 % of the time.[/nq]When my bets for the dealers are the Kiss of Death I revert to making stealth bets for them. Instead of a two-way hardway, 5 and 1, I'll just call it for 6, then hand in the their piece of the action if it wins. Another common scenario: $15 Pass Line; shooter comes out on 6 or 8. Normally, on a double odds table, I'll take only $25 odds, but if it's toke time I'll take $30, the extra nickel being the stealth bet. 1 2 [nq:1]The Midnight Skulker[/nq] 9 * 3 aka Van Lewisaka (Email Removed) 6
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Marshall Stacks: [nq:2]I always tip the dealers directly. * Kiss of Death* ... of any kind. I'd say 95 % of the time.[/nq]Oh man, ain't that the truth. I often throw out a $5 2-way hard ten set to parlay when the point is 5 but lately that seems to ensure a 7 out as the next call! I've only had the parlay hit once so far. The line bets usually work out better though. Sometimes I start out with $5 on the line for the dealers for karma, but often I don't start betting for them until I've made at least one pass. If I'm really hot I'll put some odds back there for them too. And then when I color up after a win I'll typically hand in something. Question- say I have my line bet maxed out with full odds. Can I put a dealer bet on top of that odds bet? Example- on a 3/4/5x table the point is 10 and I put $30 behind my $10 line bet. Can I put another $5 back there for the dealers for a total of $35? I keep forgetting to ask the question when I'm in the casino... Thanks
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Noah Hazel: Marshall,I've seen it both ways at different casinos where the odds were maxed out. Think you have to ask. Noah
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TeddysDad: [nq:1]Question- say I have my line bet maxed out with full odds. Can I put a dealer bet on top ... the dealers for a total of $35? I keep forgetting to ask the question when I'm in the casino... Thanks[/nq]I've done it lots of times, and have never had a box tell me "No, I'm sorry, you're over the limit".
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Noah Hazel: John,I've never heard that one about deducted the losing bets. Did someone actually discuss that with the IRS or why do you say you couldn't do it. I like the thinking. Noah Dealer tips Group: rec.gambling.craps Date: Tue, Oct 19, 2004, 4:06pm (CDT-1) From: (Email Removed) (Bob R) Usually I only have to tell them once or twice and they remember going forward.. I try to get a few tips in for the dealers (Hardways for $1 each or $4 horn on the comeout) and their memory improves. It fascinates me in craps that this culture has evolved for dealer tips that involves placing high-vig bets for the dealers. Overall the dealers would be much better off if players made line bets or especially odds for the dealers (when the player doesn't take max odds), but it doesn't seem to happen much. Do you think dealers know this but don't want to buck a player-trend that is working for them? Or are they just excited about going for the big score?Having been a dealer, I can tell you that I would have rather had a "hand-in"...no HA to overcome  . But I also understood that the player wanted us to have "action", and over a long peiod of time, the high vig bets for the dealers return almost what's expected. So yes, we loved the high vig bets, for every dollar bet for us, we expected to pocket around90 cents. We did like the line bets better, and when a real George alsoplaced odds for us, they definately got the service above and beyond! Dealers appreciate any and all bets placed for them..that's how they make a living. And over a long enough period of time, they enjoy the "persentage" of wins that one would expectfor any given bet to produce. Just an after thought, we often talked about why we couldn't "deduct" the losing bets from our winnngs for tax purposes, just like a player could..after all, it is our money once it is in play. That didn't make it very far with the IRS though !JB
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John Kerr: Re: Dealer tipsGroup: rec.gambling.craps Date: Sun, Oct 24, 2004, 10:15am From: (Email Removed) (Noah=A0Hazel) John, I've never heard that one about deducted the losing bets. Did someone actually discuss that with the IRS or why do you say you couldn't do it. I like the thinking. Noah =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Noah, we discussed it often, but the word we got back from the "powers to be", was that they didn't consider it our money until it was collected..then it was classified as a tip. They did not agree that we were "gambling", they maintained that the player was doing the gambling, and tipping us part of their winnings is all. JB =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Dealer tips Group: rec.gambling.craps Date: Tue, Oct 19, 2004, 4:06pm (CDT-1) From: (Email Removed) (Bob R) Usually I only have to tell them once or twice and they remember going forward.. I try to get a few tips in for the dealers (Hardways for $1 each or $4 horn on the comeout) and their memory improves. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D It fascinates me in craps that this culture has evolved for dealer tips that involves placing high-vig bets for the dealers. Overall the dealers would be much better off if players made line bets or especially odds for the dealers (when the player doesn't take max odds), but it doesn't seem to happen much. Do you think dealers know this but don't want to buck a player-trend that is working for them? Or are they just excited about going for the big score? =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Having been a dealer, I can tell you that I would have rather had a "hand-in"...no HA to overcome . But I also understood that the player wanted us to have "action", and over a long peiod of time, the high vig bets for the dealers return almost what's expected. So yes, we loved the high vig bets, for every dollar bet for us, we expected to pocket around90 cents. We did like the line bets better, and when a real George alsoplaced odds for us, they definately got the service above and beyond! Dealers appreciate any and all bets placed for them..that's how they make a living. And over a long enough period of time, they enjoy the "persentage" of wins that one would expectfor any given bet to produce. Just an after thought, we often talked about why we couldn't "deduct" the losing bets from our winnngs for tax purposes, just like a player could..after all, it is our money once it is in play. That didn't make it very far with the IRS though !JB
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