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Pol: Bush dishonestly spins Kerry's statementsThis is a discussion thread · 117 replies Florida Patriot: Kerry said in the debate that the United States had the right to take preemptive action abroad if it "passes the global test, where your countrymen, your people understand fully why you're doing what you're doing and you can prove to the world that you did it for legitimate reasons."Kerry also said he would not cede to others the right to take preemptive action "in any way necessary to protect the United States of America." Kerry said in the debate that he would never allow another nation to have veto power over U.S. military decisions and, nevertheless, that Bush should have preserved America's diplomatic sway by seeking more international backing for the Iraq invasion. HOW BUSH IS DISHONESTLY SPINNING IT: President Bush said on Saturday Democrat John Kerry's debate remark that U.S. preemptive military action should be subject to a "global test" would give other nations a veto over American national security decisions. "When our country's in danger the president's job is not to take an international poll. The president's job is to defend America," Bush said. "The use of troops to defend America must never be subject to a veto from countries like France," Mr. Bush told supporters at a rally in Allentown, Pa. (Reuters, Chicago Tribune, Houston Chronicle, CBS News)
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doughjohnson: [nq:1]Kerry said in the debate that the United States had the right to take preemptive action abroad if it "passes the global test.[/nq]Kerry also said he would not cede to others the right to take preemptive action "in any way necessary to protect the United States of America." Can you give me a scenario in which the Global community would deny permission (if ask), yet still pass Kerry's "global Test"?
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Jeff Harper: [nq:2]Kerry said in the debate that the United States had the right to take preemptive action abroad if it "passes the global test.[/nq][nq:1]Kerry also said he would not cede to others the right to take preemptive action "in any way necessary to ... give me a scenario in which the Global community would deny permission (if ask), yet still pass Kerry's "global Test"?[/nq] I think you are misinterpreting "global": The "global test" doesn't refer to getting permission from other countries. "Global" is used more as "universal," with the standard being that it's clear there was a need for war it's clear to the American people. And there is clear evidence to prove to the world that there was cause, that we didn't aggress without justification (as rogue nations have done and started major wars throughout history).
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doughjohnson: [nq:2]Kerry also said he would not cede to others the ... deny permission (if ask), yet still pass Kerry's "global Test"?[/nq][nq:1]I think you are misinterpreting "global": The "global test" doesn't refer to getting permission from other countries. "Global" is used ... there was cause, that we didn't aggress without justification (as rogue nations have done and started major wars throughout history).[/nq] I will use your own words, can you give me a scenario in which the "world" would deny premission if ask, yet still have clear evidence to prove to the world that there was cause.
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RMITCHCOLL: [nq:1]I think you are misinterpreting "global": The "global test" doesn't refer to getting permission from other countries. "Global" is used more as "universal," with the standard being that it's clear there was a need for war it's clear to the American people.[/nq]oh please...only a kool aid drinker could make that interpretation. Kerry said Global and meant global. He is pretty good with words and would have said universal if thats what he meant. Kerry clearly believes its better to have global (meaning UN) ok before going to war. Why cant you stand behind your candidates views? Why must you find nuances in a clear position? Here is what I think. If Kerry was President and the US was attacked and we could define the enemy Kerry would go to war regardless of what the UN thought.But in todays world, enemies are less defineable as a nation and if one of these non-nation states attacked us, Kerry would want UN participation before going after the attackers. That I believe is the main difference between them on this issue and why I am voting for Bush. Kerry said Global and thats what he meant Randy
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O-PGManager: It's not spin, it's a flat out lie. Bush is stumping that Kerry will give other nations a veto. Kerry specifically said he'd never do that.You all know exactly what he meant by a global test. When you send Colin Powell "we are CERTAIN Saddam has WMDs and mobile bioweapons labs" to the world, that statement is actually true. How badly has Bush damaged our reputation in the world? Posted using RecPoker.com - http://www.recpoker.com
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doughjohnson: [nq:1]It's not spin, it's a flat out lie. Bush is stumping that Kerry will give other nations a veto. Kerry ... Colin Powell "we are CERTAIN Saddam has WMDs and mobile bioweapons labs" to the world, that statement is actually true.[/nq]Kerry's quote "I'm an internationalist," Kerry told The Crimson in 1970. "I'd like to see our troops dispersed through the world only at the directive of the United Nations." so we all know he has had this same position in the past. The thing about flip flopping so much is you will eventually get back to where you started
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Jeff Harper: [nq:1]I will use your own words, can you give me a scenario in which the "world" would deny premission if ask, yet still have clear evidence to prove tothe world that there was cause.[/nq]"Permission" is not an issue. Nobody has said we would need to ask any nation for "permission." You are falling for the spin. Jeff Harper Tampa, FL
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Jeff Harper: [nq:2]I think you are misinterpreting "global": The "global test" doesn't ... was a need for war it's clear to the American people.[/nq][nq:1]oh please...only a kool aid drinker could make that interpretation. Kerrysaid Global and meant global. He is pretty good with ... difference between them on thisissue and why I am voting for Bush. Kerry said Global and thats what he meant[/nq] I credited you with better reading comprehension. I think I'll refrain from discussing this further with you this time, Randy. Jeff Harper Tampa, FL
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doughjohnson: I'll take that as a no.
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