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Anonymous:

i visited this group a few years back when i first learned craps. it was great.
now i just have a very basic question that i searched for the answer, but found various questions that were similar, but not exact. i'm sure it's been answered before, but alas i'll ask:
i would like have at most $25 out on the table at any given time.

i'm assumming the HA is lower if I
A) bet the table min on PL, and back up with as much odds as i can rather than
B) bet table min on PL, back up with single odds, and place 6 and 8

but, how much is the difference in HA. if it is small enough (i'm not sure what that amount would be), to essentially "pay" for the pleasure of having more numbers covered and "winning" a bet more often (getting to cheer more), rather than just a big payoff more infrequently with teh PL and max odds.
thanks for the help again

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Cymbal Man Freq. :

$12 Don't Come with $12 Don't Odds.

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Noah:

Assume $5 pass line and $20 odds the house advantage is 1.41% of $5 or 7 cents.
Alternatively $5 pass line and either $5 or $10 odds, depending on whether you are willing to risk $22 or $27, along with a $6 six and 8. the house advantage is the same 7 cents on the pass line with odds bet, plus 18 cents on the 6/8 bet (1.52% x $12).
If you are at the table for 25 shooters, that $4.50 more to have three numbers rather than just one.
This ignores the fact that the point will be 6/8 some of the time.

Hope this helps.

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alan:

Im guessing you are at a $5 table? then the math says to bet the minimum on the DP and lay your maximum don't odds. The don't side has a slight advantage over the do side.
So that's what you want to do if you want to LOSE LESS. But thats not the way to WIN MORE.
To win more, bet the minimum DP with NO odds, and use the remaining money for DC bets, one after another.

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Lady Shooter:

[nq:1]To win more, bet the minimum DP with NO odds, and use the remaining money for DC bets, one after another.[/nq]
You obviously have never played the method you've recommended to someone else. If you had, you'd have discovered that making continuous DC bets is no more likely to allow a player to "win more" than making a single DP bet is. DC bets have the same HA as DP bets.

I get the impression the questioner prefers to play the right side for the social aspects - cheering with other players when numbers start to hit. Most darksiders learn to take their wins without fanfare, because it's no fun to *** off a bunch of (often intoxicated) losers by rubbing their noses in the fact that the dealer is paying your bets with their chips.
I'd recommend to the questioner that he play whatever way gives him the most enjoyment for his $25 at risk. If placing the 6 and 8 adds to the "thrill" for him, then by all means he should make those bets.
Lady Shooter

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Bob:

My wife really enjoys craps and is considered a $20 player downtown and gets several offers throughout the year. She plays the $5 pass with double odds and always takes a $5 C/E on the comeout roll. She is consistent at taking a $100 and playing for quite awhile and coloring up with $150-$200.

She has a great time and no matter how the table is going unless it is really cold, she is consistent. She will walk when her buyin is down to $25 as she allows herself just so much.
Last trip she won on each session and left with about $500 to the plus side.

BOB

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Gregg Cattanach:

[nq:1]Im guessing you are at a $5 table? then the math says to bet the minimum on the DP and ... win more, bet the minimum DP with NO odds, and use the remaining money for DC bets, one after another.[/nq]
The HA difference between pass and don't pass is so tiny that you'll never experience the difference in years of playing. If you want to win more with the 'same' amount of luck, then pass with odds is better because of the larger payoffs on the odds bets.

Gregg C.

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alan:

LS
Please reread my suggestion: DP with NO odds, and DC bets (again no odds).
Remember, your odds have NO house advantage to them which also means NO player advantage. When you lose your don't odds you lose the full value; when you win your don'd odds bet you win less than your bet amount.
For that reason, betting odds on the don't favors the house dramatically.
Let's get back to my suggestion of betting continuous DP and DC. Each bet continues to have the general house edge of about 1.4% (slightly less than the rightway pass and come bets), and since the average shooter holds the dice for about 4 rolls before the 7-out, the DP/DC bettor has his advantage.
As I think back over the last ten years or so of being at tables with whales (guys with markers of $200,000 or more playing chocolates) Ive come to realize that this is exactly what they all do. Play the DP and play a string of DC bets. However, in the case of the whales they usually bet full odds on their don't bets.
Each and every one of those whales, while theyve had their runs of bad luck, have consistently left the table as winners. You might want to do a search for my report about the whale at Caesars with more than 2-million in markers who gave $1,000 tips to shooters at the table when they would seven-out.
Wait, I'll do the search for you. Here is the link and this was his routine: betting the DP with a string of DC's. He had his downturn, but stayed with it, and the numbers came back the way they should and he walked away a winner. And that has also been the case with a guy Ive played with at MGM numerous times he starts with a $200,000 and always finishes up.
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Money talks, LS. There is a big reason why the whales bet from the don't its the way to win.

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Gregg Cattanach:

[nq:1]LS Please reread my suggestion: DP with NO odds, and DC bets (again no odds). Remember, your odds have ... bet you win less than your bet amount. For that reason, betting odds on the don't favors the house dramatically.[/nq]
Lordy, lordy, lordy. I thought the house had the big advantage on the right-side odds? Make up your mind.
[nq:1]Let's get back to my suggestion of betting continuous DP and DC. Each bet continues to have the general house ... since the average shooter holds the dice for about 4 rolls before the 7-out, the DP/DC bettor has his advantage.[/nq]
HUH?
[nq:1]As I think back over the last ten years or so of being at tables with whales (guys with markers ... Money talks, LS. There is a big reason why the whales bet from the don't its the way to win.[/nq]
How come you never play this way??? lol

Gregg C.

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alan:

Hi Gregg. Actually, on my last trip for craps I did play this way. DP with no odds, and a string of DC bets. I stood there and put the chips in my rack and I kept my mouth shut and continued to do so until a guy at the far end of the table said out loud "that's the TV guy." I took my chips and left.

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