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RE: Roy Cooke Says Thank You! page 10This is a discussion thread · 207 replies Paul G.: Are you asking Gary? He comes from Texas. How bout it Gary? Anybody with money fried in Texas before?Y'know, we've got a jury system in this country. Don't they have something to do with it? We've got legislatures in the states. Can't they ban it if they want? Shouldn't it be up to the states? When some piece of work commits a crime that shocks the conscience, what choice does he leave society? How bout a hitman who's murdered a couple dozen people. Sheesh! He's supposed to die if he gets caught. What the heck. Y'get a trial by jury. It's a good system. There aren't any better. But no problem. If enough people want to pressure their state legislatures to ban capital punishment in their state, it'll happen. We live in a republic. Anyone reading this on this forum who opposes the death penalty ever had a dear loved one murdered in cold blood? If so, speak up and explain to me why the killer should do Life instead. I'm listening. -Paul G.
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Paul G.: [nq:1]It's wrong to steal, but it's right to steal to feed your family if you must.[/nq]Since when does this make it right? I know, since situation-ethic-minded professors started brainwashing students into believing it. You can go ahead and steal to feed your hungry children, but it still doesn't make it right. My grandparents went through the depression pennyless. And without education, I might add. They didn't steal, rob, loot, or riot. At least if I do something wrong, and I've done plenty, I still know that it's wrong and don't try to justify it with some phoney situation-ethic rationalization. , I just did something wrong, that's all. I'm an ***. What d'ya expect? -Paul G.
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Bjgkaraoke: As far as I know, they weren't executed. One of them died in prison and the other one was let out and went to So. America when he was old (I think).[nq:1]Dr. Mudd was hung for the Lincoln assasination. I don't know if he was wealthy or not though.[/nq] There's a theory that he was hung summarily because there was a conspiracy that was covered up. [nq:1]I'm sure there are more recent examples also, I just can't think of any. Gary Carson[/nq] The reason is probably that there weren't any. People with money get good lawyers; poor people get public defenders and the death penalty. Barbara Gallamore
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John Harkness: [nq:2]Has a wealthy person ever received the death penalty?[/nq][nq:1]I think Leopold and Lloyd, or whatever there names were got the death penalty. Maybe not thoughl, I'm not sure.[/nq] Loeb, and IIRC, they weren't, Loeb was killed in prison. [nq:1]Dr. Mudd was hung for the Lincoln assasination. I don't know if he was wealthy or not though.[/nq] He wasn't executed, either there was even a biographical film made about him, The Prisoner of Shark Island. John Harkness
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Garycarson1: How about someone who was convicted and sentenced to death on evidence that was fabricated by prosecutors and police? They were convicted of commiting shocking crimes. There were a handfull of them on Illinois death row a couple of years ago.The government simply should not have the power to kill me. I just don't like that. I don't trust the government with my money, I certainly don't trust them with my life. If you want them to have the power to kill you then I think that would be okay if we could work out a way for me to just opt out. Gary Carson
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Paul G.: [nq:1]The reason is probably that there weren't any. People with money get good lawyers; poor people get public defenders and the death penalty. Barbara Gallamore[/nq]Well then maybe something needs to be changed so that a "wealthy" person that commits a horrible murder needs to get fried just like a poor murderer does. Are we supposed to allow the sickest of murderers to live just because they are poor and it is "unfair" that wealthy people don't get the death penalty? I just don't see what that has to do with anything. A piece of work enters a liquor store and robs and ends the clerk's life, the clerk has never hurt anyone, who has family to take care of and people who love him, why isn't the killer supposed to give up his life? He made the choice. And he chose evil. Warm up Old Sparky. -Paul G.
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Paul G.: [nq:1]How about someone who was convicted and sentenced to death on evidencethat was fabricated by prosecutors and police? They were ... I think that would beokay if we could work out a way for me to just opt out. Gary Carson[/nq]Then have the state legislature ban it for that state. That's all. Easy enough if that's what society wants. But read the indictment or information. It reads like People of the State of California versus Gary Carson, it doesn't say the government versus Gary Carson. Look. No one wants an innocent man to fry. I certainly don't. THAT shocks the conscience. But some murderers just deserve to die. I think you know that. They leave us no choice, their crime was so horrible. It's up to the jury system. It's a good system. Felons can opt out by not doing the crime in the first place. Do the crime, do the time, Barretta. -Paul G.
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Garycarson1: [nq:1]robs and ends the clerk's life, the clerk has never hurt anyone, who has family to take care of and people who love him,[/nq]What if the clerk regularly beats his wife and his parents think they failed in raising him and want nothing to do with him? Is killing that liquor store clerk somehow not as bad as killing your nice guy clerk? Gary Carson
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Bjgkaraoke: This doesn't happen. For instance, several years ago a doctor (I forget his name) and his secretary, Carol Tregoff, waited in his garage for his wife to come home and they blew her away. Carol was sentenced to life, served 7 years, and the doctor also served a few years and then was paroled. They'd been convicted of 1st degree murder.He had money, they had a good lawyer. In this country, money buys freedom and lets people avoid justice. Recently, in Texas, a man who admitted to killing and dismembering another man was acquitted. That's the way it is, Paul. By the way, the United States is the only civilized country that still has the death penalty. I don't feel bad about evil people getting executed, I just feel bad that only poor evil people do (along with a few innocent ones). Barbara Gallamore
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Garycarson1: [nq:1]Then have the state legislature ban it for that state. That's all. Easy enough if that's what society wants[/nq]Oh, society wants the government to kill people they don't like. Society also used to bring fried chicken and potatoe salad to Sunday afternoon lynchings, and society thought the proper response to upitty niggers was to fire bomb their church. I'm not totally convinced that society wanting something somehow makes it a good thing. Gary Carson
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